Hey Frames of Space listeners,
This week’s episode is a conversation with Mónica Guzmán — journalist, author of "I Never Thought of It That Way," and a champion for bridging tough divides. If you’ve ever found yourself exhausted by political arguments or worried about society’s divisions, this episode is the reset button you might need.
Here’s what’s inside:
Behind Mónica’s Mission Mónica opens up about her journey as a Mexican immigrant, a liberal daughter of Trump-supporting parents, and how personal experience forced her to find ways to understand — not just shout over — political differences within her own family. If you’ve navigated splits among loved ones, her story is both relatable and hopeful.
Productive vs. Unproductive Debate Hear about Mónica’s most powerful—and most disastrous—political conversations. The difference, she says, is groundedness and humility versus getting swept up in reactivity and anger. She shares tangible strategies for asking better questions (try “How did you come to believe that?”), recognizing your own emotional patterns, and slowing things down—even when things get heated.
Should You Always Stay Curious? I explore an important tension: Can curiosity ever go too far? Is there a risk of being “too charitable” to those whose views are dangerous or threatening? Mónica stresses the importance of discernment—yes, sometimes boundaries matter, but disengagement fueled by fear or despair disempowers us and risks deepening divides.
The Power of Showing Up (Even When It’s Hard) Stories like Daryl Davis convincing KKK members to leave or Olivia Jaramillo forming unlikely alliances in Utah underscore how simply showing up—existing openly—can be a radical, persuasive act. But, as Mónica concedes, “we can’t all be Daryl.” It’s about knowing your own boundaries, practicing discernment, and remembering you have more power than you think.
Tips for Avoiding Burnout Feeling helpless? Drowning in doomscrolling? Mónica’s advice: Be mindful of your limits, focus on the issues you care about most, and remember that simply having meaningful, grounded conversations—in real life—can shift hearts and minds, including your own.
Favorite Quote from Mónica:
“Words are the only technology we have for persuasion and influence. So the choice is on us. It’s like we either engage or we give up.”
Whether you’re looking for tools to have better conversations or just reassurance you’re not alone in feeling anxious about the state of things, this episode is packed with warmth, wisdom, and practical tools.
What are your strategies for staying open and curious? Hit reply — we’d love to hear your thoughts.
Warmly,
Andrew
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